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March 24, 2003
In response to Images
to Steel a Nation's Heart
Just for starters, how is it remotely possible for a 727 to
be parked in some third-world country--out in clear satellite
view-- and not be known to US intelligence? for years!!??
Cheney/Halliburton needs so desperately to tie 9/11 to this
oil war, but Muhammed Atta was Egyptian-- and none of his psycho
buddies were Iraqi.
The uranium shipments from Nigeria--an embarrassingly childish
forgery to prop up support for the oil war. Weapons of Mass Distraction????
C'mon, say you're not buying it. Please. Your 587 analyses
were too sharp. Killing third world women & children to appropriate
their oil because you've already burned most of yours is wrong.
Robert F. "Pump Some Gas & It'll Come Out Red"
U.S.Read response: The Iraqi's didn't try
to hide the jet. Their official line was that they were doing
Read the David Rose and Frontline pieces mentioned in the
article. Is 9/11 an Iraqi operation? No. And maybe yes. Bottom
line is ... Iraq was exporting terror, Atta did
meet an Iraqi agent, and we have no way of being certain
Saddam won't (or hasn't) given WMD's to Al Qaeda or other
terror groups. And ... there were many non-Iraqi Arabs trained
at Salman Pak. This doesn't even make you in the least a bit uncomfortable??
Bob ... do you really hold the position that Iraq has no
WMD's? Even if the U.S. had deliberately forged those documents
(not proven it was the U.S. ... maybe it was a reverse framing
by unknown foreign entity ... make fake docs ... show to Western
Intel ... they buy into it ... then you expose the fraud and make
it appear to be a Western fraud thus discrediting all WMD evidence)
... this in no way discounts the work of U.N. weapons inspectors
(not to mention U.S. intelligence) over the last 12 years that
found great quantities of these weapons, and the consistent flow
of high-level defectors who have told of same.
You say "Killing third world women & children"
as if that is the mission objective ... as if we don't take great
care to minimize this. If this war was all about oil we'd have
taken Iraq a long time ago. Bush Sr. would not have stopped Gulf
War I until he had seized the oil. But you see Bob ... the fundamental
difference between me and you is that I believe Bush believes
civilization and our future are at stake ... that we are under
a real threat of WMD's in the U.S.
9/11 changed the man ... and that change was not
about taking over Iraqi oil fields. So we can debate back and
forth in futility. I generally have more faith in the sincerity
of the Bush administration ... until they prove me wrong. If we
win this war (and I believe we will) ... in the end you will see
whether or not we "appropriate" Iraqi oil. But you've
already passed judgement.
January 30, 2003
Let's imagine Jamaica bay is one of the deepest caverns on
earth and American Airlines Flight587 is down so deep under water
that any recovery would be impossible (No black Boxes). Would
the NTSB be able to come to a determination of the cause of the
crash? If the only recorded events were the air traffic controller
tapes, radar pings and the eyewitness statements. Sure the forensic
evidence is of the utmost of value, and expert testimony on airframe
systems and the like, can add evidence to support to the determination
of the crash. Would the efforts of the NTSB investigators been
forced to have focused more on eyewitness accounts and do intensive
on site interviews with the witness with survey and measurement
equipment? We would think so! To this day the only people to have
made any effort to talk to witness on site were from a fellow
citizen, Vic Trombettas @ usread.com and a BBC documentary company.
Two hundred and sixty five persons died that morning on November
12, 2001. That they may have been murdered is as good a speculation
as the sea gulls, wind turbulence, prior hurricane damage or pilot
A single murder investigation in New York City would have numerous
detectives talking to witnesses many times over in the quest for
a perpetrator for years. Either the NTSB has all the evidence
it needed and we eyewitness are in fact unreliable. Then the "smoking
gun" should be released. The fact remains that few if any
eyewitness were interviewed in depth, on site with personal trained
to take statements and measurements. Why? When a missing person,
rightfully so, can tax the law enforcement resources of a city
for months. Two hundred and sixty five people dead in a time of
war in a still unexplained crash should have at least accounted
for two trained agents to have done on site follow up interviews
with the three hundred plus witnesses.
Eyewitness to the Crash of Flight 587
December 17, 2002
Please send my congratulations to Shira Feldman for an excellent review of Buzzsaw.
This is "must" reading for all who care about the future
of our democracy. I mean, both the book and the wonderfully summarized
Bob from New Jersey
November 18, 2002
- Just a belated note of encouragement to keep up your good
work on the
Flight 587 investigation. As a professional newspaper writer
editor for nearly 30 years, and a private pilot for 15, I add
voice to the cry of "Shame!"
directed at the NY Times for running
such a specious smear of First Officer Molin. Sensationalist
like this has no place in a respected newspaper.
I began to have major doubts about the NTSB's priorities in this
accident when, within a very short time, the Board issued its
infamous warning against extreme rudder inputs. That caused me
just about every other well-trained pilot to scratch our heads
wonder why our instructors had put so much emphasis on maneuvering
speed if Va actually means nothing to the ability of a properly
certified aircraft to withstand maximum control inputs.
I think the operative phrase here is "properly certified."
Money talks, and its voice has overwhelmed reason and ethics
much of our society today, not excluding the fields of journalism
- Brian Bragg
- October 18, 2002
- There is something fishy about this NTSB investagation. Airbus
applying much pressure; it is very hard to get any good info
on this. You
are the only good source I have found.
- Our pilots are a very intelligent group, and believe me,
they know how
- to fly big aircraft. This aircraft was defective when it
left the factory.
- Vic, you do a good job. Hang in. I'll be a regular on your
Hope you keep on it.
Captain American Airlines (Retired)
- October 15, 2002
- Dear Sir:
- Why haven't any news media picked up on the tragic events
of flight 587 and what can we do to expose this nightmare? I'm
curious as to why nothing has been done or said about this. Any
and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
- Dan Martin
- Reply from U.S.Read:
- Vanity Fair did a very good piece in their Sept. 2002 issue
titled "Pilot Terror". The author, David Rose, is from
the UK. The interest in the U.S. media is non-existent unfortunately.
- I have been asking the same question since the accident.
I'm not sure there's one answer. It's a combination, I believe:
- 1. They dare not challenge the NTSB
2. They don't know how to challenge the NTSB
3. They don't know why they should
4. They don't care too much about this crash since it was overshadowed
5. They don't care too much about this crash since it was mostly
Dominicans on board.
It wasn't a high profile crowd.
6. They dare not challenge Airbus because they fear lawsuits.
7. The media learned the lesson from Flight 800 ... it doesn't
pay to second guess the
FBI or NTSB because in the end their story will prevail. So they'll
just pass on to the
public the NTSB's press releases, etc., and call it a day.
- Not U.S.Read.
- Thanks for writing Dan.
- October 13, 2002
As an aviation professional for over 30 years, I want to express
for the fantastic coverage of this mishap. I hate to say it,
but the usual
suspects are being blamed (pilots), and its your coverage that
to light facts that are leading to questions that have yet to
- Thank you.
- October 12, 2002
- I read your article with
great interest about Spirit Air. It sparked a distant memory
about a non-governmental web site that somehow has all the personal
information about all FAA Pilots, A&P's and FAA Examiner's.
You just do a name search and you get full name, full address,
and what FAA licenses are held by the individual. Just think
what a treasure trove this information is for an illegal wanting
to work, or a terrorist. Also if my memory is correct, up until
at least a couple of years ago, this same web site gave the actual
license numbers, too. When I got my A&P license the FAA required
your SSN for a license number, and they didn't freely offer that
you could get another number, other than your SSN. I wrote the
FAA when I found my information on this web site, demanding that
they stop giving out my information, including my SSN. The letter
that I got back said that it was public information, but they
also changed my A&P license number from my SSN to another
random number. Since that time, it appears that license numbers,
including SSN's, have been deleted from this web site. It makes
me wonder how many other web sites are out there with other SSN
type license numbers or any license numbers on public display?
- Try it for yourself: http://www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/certs-ap.html
- I work for a major airline. Please don't use my name or position,
as my company can be very vindictive when they want to be. Even
or especially when it comes to the truth. By the way, thank you
for trying to find the truth. There are many of us still around
who appreciate your kind. If I can be of help, feel free to ask.
I was in Military aviation and this is my 3rd airline, so I may
be able to help you somehow. On that note, a colleague of mine
and I believe that airplanes just don't fall apart in the sky
unless they are designed wrong, maintained improperly or blown-up.
Blaming the pilots was wrong. During the last 20 years, there
have been several Boeing airplanes that have spiraled to earth,
thousands of feet, only to recover damaged, but in one piece.
I must be truthful and say that I have not followed any of the
continuing investigation of Flight 587. I glanced at the Vanity
Fair cover and saw the article mentioned on the cover. It captured
my curiousity! I purchased the magazine and read the article.
Most stunning! I can see a definate example of gross negligence
of all investigative parties involved. To have the facts and
data from many reliable pilots of the very same kind of aircraft
tell of "uncommaned rudder movement" and not pay attention
to that is simply ludicrus at best! I could not help but think
of all the media attention and the name calling and so forth
that The Boeing Company endured with the investigation and tests
of the "rudder reversal" on their 737 aircraft. This
aircraft underwent major studies, many tests and was eventually
recomended by the NTSB and the FAA to have safe gaurds, including
the redesign of the rudder control and replacement of the rudder
control of all 737 modified to reflect the change. Now what really
bothers me is if American Airline pilots are reporting problems
with the Airbus A300, American Airlines spokesmen are denying
said accusations and the NTSB and the FAA are saying that there
is no problem, isn't that a bit short sided on all parties involved,
and a cover up?
I wonder how far this investigation would be if Flight 587 were
a Boeing 767 that had gone down instead of an Airbus A300. Something
smells here, and to think that as a long time A&P Mechanic,(
21 years) I so much desired to work at the NTSB.
Thomas M Miller, of Portland, Oregon
- Dear Editor:
- I just finished reading the VF article and found it, and
your mission, fascinating. God bless you. I am a long term Manhattan
resident and aviation buff with some technical competency and
30 years as a frequent - passenger - flyer. The David Rose article
is superbly researched and well-written, BUT it makes NO connection
between the explosion/fire/smoke seen by many witnesses and the
long up-front technical sleuth work about the A 300-600 composite
tail design. No wonder: there cannot be any other other connection
than (1) an explosion amidship caused (2) severe yaw forces,
which then caused (3) the vertical tail weakened in 1994 to break
loose. The vortex theory is ridiculous from a pure statistical
point of view: with 6,000 flights per day (before 9/11) in this
country alone, if wake vortices
were a mortal danger, airliners would crash or loose structural
parts several times a year. What was so unique on that calm November
morning to make a plane lose its tail? Nothing! Therefore, the
"terrorist theory" is the only valid theory. That was
my first reaction that morning upon watching the news and hearing
the early details. So we do have a cover-up, indeed, much substantiated
by your research. The rationale for the cover-up is understandable,
consequences make it wrong. I hope the NTSB and the FAA come
clean in October, but I won't be holding my breath.
- My own theory? Flight 587 carried the first shoe bomber.
- I wish you courage and determination in this endeavor,
- Philippe Defechereux
- Editors U.S. Read,
- Thank you for your efforts in making this information available
- I found your site through the Vanity Fair article. One thing
made clear is how the "Party Line" coming out of officialdom
can be so unreliable, wrong, dishonest and more than likely harmful
to our society. The resignation letter of AA's fleet manager
- Apparently Airbus, and AA have concluded that the occasonal
loss of passenger jets is preferrable to burdening the financial
health of carrier's like AA with effective inspection procedures
of composite components.
- Bill McMahon
- Dear Mr. Trombettas,
First of all, I want to thank you for the important work you're
this web site. What an incredible service you're performing.
I am full of
admiration for the integrity and excellence of your work.
- Second of all, I want to respond to your letter to Kofi Annan
and to some of
your posted exchanges on the subject. I confess that I'm very
see the whole problem put down to the barbarity and ignorance
Palestinians. I thought the U.S. Read web site was all about
thinking, nuance, and logic; but the discussions about Israel
are all about a recourse to coarse generalizations that defame
race of people.
- Whenever I see that kind of black-and-white, us-against-them
become suspicious. As horrible as apartheid was, as completely
as I opposed
it then and oppose it now, I don't think I ever would have been
swayed by a
diatribe that painted the white Afrikaaners as barbarians with
flawed minds and nonexistent capacity for compassion. I wouldn't
logic in a discussion of the problems in Northern Ireland or
Those kinds of extreme generalizations, completely belittling
the people on one side of a conflict, reek of bigotry, even when
generalizations are being made about people whose actions deserve
- As for the reality of what's happening on the ground in Israel
territories, I want to ask you and your readers: do you believe
you see on the network news? Obviously not--the work on this
that the media needs to be probed, just as the actions of government
agencies need to be questioned. Are you bothering to do a thorough
of your own information on the Middle East, by giving a fair
read to the
work of your opponents?
- Mr. Trombettas, you seem to want it both ways--at times you
state that the
Israelis have never used human shields, at other times you seem
acknowledge Israeli wrong-doing but imply that any amount of
law-breaking is justified by the actions of Palestinian civilians.
ample evidence that the Israelis have used human shields and
conventions in other ways, and I invite you and your readers
to check the
web sites of Amnesty International and any number of major human
organizations (including Israeli organizations) to verify that
all these organizations making up lies out of "bias"
against the Israelis?
Why would they be? Do you discount the work that they do entirely?
Let's not forget why rules such as the Geneva Conventions were
the first place. Some kinds of violence shouldn't be permissible,
during a situation of war. Is there any hypothetical Israeli
the Palestinians that could conceivably outrage you? Or do they
have an open
license to be as violent with Palestinians as they wish, knowing
world will go along with it?
- If your answer--and the world's answer--to that last question
is yes, then I
don't see why the Israelis would bother trying to achieve their
ends by more
peaceful means. If the answer is "yes," then Palestinians
will never be
convinced that abandoning violence is the answer for them, either.
means more tremendous suffering for people on both sides. I'm
not a fan of
that, and that's why I'm asking these questions.
- Thanks again,
- U.S.Read reply:
- Dear Sarah:
- Thank you for your passionate response and thank you for
your compliments. Truly appreciate it.
- Sarah, do you believe that sometimes ... when a husband and
wife are divorcing ... that one of them might share more of the
blame; that one of them may have done very bad things? Do you
believe when we were attacked by Japan, that we were on the "right"
side? Do you believe that had you been alive then that you would
have been passionately Pro-American, and shown that passion by
wishing for and working towards the destruction of Japan's and
Germany's military might? I ask sincerely. I wonder if you allow
for the possibility that sometimes, "someone" on one
side of a conflict, can be more at fault? Whether that "someone"
is an individual, a group of individuals, a race of individuals,
or a nation.
- I know what I believe. I believe the answer to that question
is yes. When 60-plus percent of Palestinians approve of terror
bombers it's fair for me to generalize. If we treat that democratic
indicator of the will of the people, then that "People",
that majority, is ... barbaric. And I make no apology for that.
They've had many opportunities over the last 45 years to govern
their own territories in Peace. But they lost those opportunities
because they either wanted all Jews dead or they made ridiculous
demands, or they sent more terror bombers. They've sown to the
Whirlwind, and now they have reaped it. What I have noticed is
that every time Israelis and Palestinians have talked Peace,
the terror increases against Israelis! This is supposed to encourage
the Israelis? The Israelis, through Barak, made a tremendous
offer to Arafat, and what did the Israelis get as a show of gratitude?
- I'm sure you know that many Arabs, many Palestinians, cannot
have Peace while they are neighbors to filthy infidels, i.e.
Jews (and Christians). Only recently have Arab nations begun
to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. How magnanimous of them.
But there are many Arabs and Palestinians who still fight for
one goal ... the extermination and/or expulsion of the Jews from
the Middle East. I've never heard one Israeli leader say "death
to all Palestinians, death to all Arabs!". I've heard many
Arab Leaders call for the destruction of Israel.
- Sometimes, the choices, and the decisions, can be as simple
as black and white. I'm sorry, but this is my view today. I do
leave the door open however, that tomorrow I may see things differently.
- To directly answer your question ... Palestinians are more
at fault than Israelis. That's my view.
- Peace unto you Sarah. You are a clearly a peace loving person
and we need more like you in the world. :-)
I cannot fully express my appreciation for your work on AA 587.
As a working journalist, I have been ashamed of my profession
since the 2000 presidential campaign. September 11th deepened
by disgust. Then AA 587 crashed, and the media swallowed the
government's story hook, line, sinker, rod and reel.
If the AA flight had been loaded with Anglo American tourists,
sadly, the coverage would have been more aggressive. A lot of
people are depending on people such as you and David Rose.
The truth will set us free.
Santa Fe, NM USA
- September 23, 2002
- First I'd just like to thank you for the great work you are
doing. Everyday since November 12, I've been worrying more about
our own government cover-ups, and lack of interest on the part
of "journalists" other than terrorism.
It seems to me that Marion Blakey got her reward for doing what
she does best...PR.
I am interested in attending the NTSB hearings, but don't know
if my schedule will allow it, or if I can tolerate what I imagine
will be more of the same.
I would like a copy of the CD you are making available from the
Bedford, NH 03110
Thanks from a concerned citizen.
- August 22, 2002
- Hello, I am from Canada and have been following the story
of AA Flight 587 with great interest ever since the event occurred.
I just wanted to commend you for all the hard work you have done
on this issue. I had been searching all over for information
and was unable to find much coverage in the traditional media
and was frustrated by the lack of updates on the NTSB website.
I even resorted to sending letters to the Editors of a few mainstream
media outlets such as CNN, MSNBC and the CBC here in Canada asking
about the lack or reporting on this issue and received no responses
at all. (go figure) .
I thought there may have been some kind of edict issued by the
U.S. Government to the media to keep quiet about the issue due
to the sensitivities regarding Air Travel and Homeland Security
after "911" but after watching and reading exhaustive
coverage of the event of "911" for many months after
I was perplexed. Especially since the American Media from my
perspective are very protective over their rights towards Free
Speech and all.
I just have one question, has there been any mention of investigations
into the passenger manifests for the Flight for any clues regarding
anything suspicious or any analysis done of the Security procedures
in place for Airline boarding at JFK at the time of the incident?
Would this be under the wing of the FAA?
Does anything stand out on that account? I realize you are focusing
more on the technical aspects of the Flight timeline and find
your analysis fascinating.
- Victor's reply: Thanks Robert. Hopefully, in October
(Public Hearings on AA587) we'll all see the kind of information
we've been waiting for that will shed more light on this.
- The FBI will only say they did an investigation but do
not want to get into the details of what, especially in re the
passengers. That I can understand. As for security procedures
at JFK ... there continue to be security problems to this day
.. just several weeks ago a JFK worker was arrested for smuggling
illegals on board planes.
- August 22nd
Thank you for this website.
I simply do not believe the present thesis regarding flight
587. (Pilot error)
If it were not for the experience we have with the explanation
for flight 800, I would probably not feel this way. While there
may be problems with the composites, and the computer programs
used on the Airbus 300/320, it is still my belief that the similarities
between the two events are too suspect to be accepted without
There are eyewitness reports that the right wing of flight
587 was on fire before the crash of flight 587
Similarly, there are many eyewitness reports of a streaking
trail extending upward to flight 800 before it broke apart.
I would also call attention to the fact that both James Kaelstrom
and James Hall worked both these events.
If these two are not born liars they are, at least, convicted
by the facts of each case.
I recommend reading an article by Ms Kristina Borjesson contained
in the book entitled INTO THE BUZZSAW .
Also there is a book by Jim Sanders entitled TWA FLIGHT 800.
Jim Sanders, and his wife, were arrested by the FBI, on orders
of Attorney General Janet Reno, for receiving evidence under illegal
Vic's reply: You're welcome Stephen. Anyone who carefully
looks at the data has to come to the same conclusion (about Pilot
I must correct you on a couple points:
1. A missile streaking up to a plane (flight 800) is different
than a fire seen coming from the plane (flight 587). So ... these
are not similar in the sense you described. What happened to Flight
587 could be the result of mechanical failure.
2. Kallstrom and Hall did not work Flight 587.
I won't call Kallstrom or Hall liars. But I would pay $100
to have them chained to a chair for 4 hours in a debate with some
of the fine citizens who have been fighting to get answers on
Flight 800 for six years now (http://flight800.org).
Although I do believe more and more that AA 587 was an accident,
I have not been able to put terrorism to bed yet. Some of it has
to do with the witness reports you refer to.
- July 23, 2002
I remember the vow I made back in 1950 where I would never
let anyone tell me what I should do as a Design Structural Dynamics
Engineer after the crash of test AF-2S/R at Grumman Aircraft Corporation.
My analysis predicted failure at 1.10 design speed. I vowed I
would use 1.25 Vne (never exceed speed) and that is what I would
do for a transport at the minimum considering all the lives at
stake. Also, I would take the worst case scenario which would
be maximum pressure chordwise and spanwise across the vertical
fin and that cause by full deflection of the rudder multiplied
by 2 for a step function application since the rudder is a dynamic
loading function. Then I would use the Q for 1.25 Vne. This would
cover all scenarios. In addition I would do a complete "modal
analysis" verified by ground vibration tests to make certain
there are no flutter problems. Only then would I, as a structural
engineer responsible for a plane like the Airbus, be able to sleep
nights. Furthermore, I am sure that this was done.
This leaves material failure or an explosion as the only way
flight 587 could have crashed. Not pilot error which should
never be used as an excuse unless 1.25Vne had been exceeded.
I have a Master Degree in Aeronautics and completed all my
Doctoral Requirements at MIT where I worked full time as a staff
engineer, a member of the faculty, and assistant project engineer
on the Deep Submergence Vehicles. Before that I was assigned to
the Apollo Displays and Control Group doing technical assurance
work on the command service module and the LEM, lunar excursion
- Vincent Rosa
- July 15, 2002
It should be clear by now ---to anyone who has followed the
AAL 587 story --- that the NTSB and the US Government are conducting
and orchestrating an extremely sloppy, unconvincing, and highly
transparent cover up. And, like with TWA 800, AV WEEK and the
major media are not asking the NTSB the tough questions. As with
TWA 800, the NTSB and FBI discount and name call the eye witnesses
"KOOKS" and "conspiracy theorists" without
even talking to them. Since the NTSB and the FBI succeeded with
this strategy on TWA 800 they are quick to use again. It worked
then and why shouldn't it work now! It should be clear that the
airline and air travel industry would have taken a second knock-down
punch, only two months after 9-11, if the NTSB's Chairman Marion
Blakey had told the truth, i.e. --- Flight 587 went down after
an on-board fire had suddenly broken out at 2000 feet and the
airframe began to disintegrate. She and we now know she is covering
up the truth but ----and this is important --- she was, and still
is, somehow convinced this was "The right thing to do."
But she is wrong, her logic is flawed, her good intentions
are misguided. I believe --and pray --- that unlike TWA 800 she
and the NTSB will ultimately be exposed as conspiratorial liars.
We, and particularly the families of the innocent victims of
AAL 587, need the truth ---- not what some government official
in Washington thinks its safe to tell us.
- July 15, 2002
Small Independent Newspapers
The Flight 587 eyewitness meeting was held July 10, 7:30, PM.
The banquet room of The Beach Club is filled with about one
hundred and fifty people and one torn burnt page of the Koran.
A Larry Katzman representing Congressman Anthony Weiner office,
Councilman Joe Addabbo and Assemblywoman Audrey Pheffer. Two reporters:
a Warren Woodberry of the Daily News, and Merli English of Newsday
were present. There appeared to be a few more reporters also present.
On Friday the front page of the Wave had a detailed review of
the meeting. Having read the Daily News and Newsday newspapers
Friday, Saturday and not finding any mention of this meeting.
Still thinking that this story as
reviewed by the above reporters must be newsworthy and was held
for the Sunday's editions. This Sunday's newspapers were read
and not a mention of
the event, in which one hundred and fifty citizens expressed concern.
Well, what is to be expected of the same media, which when
back on January 7, when six citizens formally requested to be
allowed to testify as eyewitness
in a letter to the NTSB. Of the Four major New York newspapers
only one the N.Y.Post thought it to be news worthy enough to cover
it in a small article. On a slow news day, six citizens volunteering
for jury duty would be headlines.
It makes one wonder, how much the informed public is really
informed and the importance of small independent newspapers.
Eyewitness Tom Lynch
- July 15, 2002
- At the request of the Reader, Peter from the Bronx, I am
reposting his original post from February 3rd.
Thoughts from Peter (Bronx, NY) on February 3rd
Last week, I traveled to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
on business on an American Airlines A300. Needless to say, I was
quite reserved about even getting on the plane but thank God,
everything went well. This was my first flight since the September
11th attacks and as would be expected, I was a bit nervous and
visually checking everyone out.
Based on what I have read about this incident, I sincerely
believe that this was an act of terrorism. My theory and thoughts
on the incident seem to be supported by all of the eyewitness
Having just recently traveled to Santo Domingo on an A300,
I took the opportunity to look over the plane and figure out,
in layman terms, why there would be explosions, engines would
fall off, and fire would be seen spewing out of one side of the
plane. My thoughts went out to the victims of this incident as
I sat in the plane and imagined what they had experienced that
My theory about this incident is as follows. I understand it,
there are aviation professionals who visit this site. Maybe you
can discuss this with them for their opinion and not make these
thoughts public. My intention is not that of creating hysteria
but rather a great sense of getting to the truth of this matter.
a) On September 11, airliners were used as missiles on New
York and Washington landmarks. On November 12, an Airliner was
used as a bomb into a new York neighborhood.
b) The person(s) who executed this "bombing" knew
two things: Security at Kennedy Airport, particularly for Caribbean
flights, is lax, to say the least. I know this first hand. I have
gone through those gates about 10 times in the past 4 years.
Two, that they only had minutes before they were over water
and their "bomb" would not be as effective. They therefore
had to execute their terrorism within the first 1 - 5 minutes
of the flight.
c) While on the A300 recently, I noticed that there is a bathroom
located on either side of the plane just forward of each wing.
It is my belief that an explosive device, whether it was just
placed there or was attached to a person, was detonated from this
location. The person(s) would have entered the bathroom just prior
to take off and stayed there. In this case, it would have been
the bathroom on the right side of the plane.
d) Upon detonation, whether there was one or two of them, the
explosive blew a hole through the fuselage. Debris from this explosion
was sucked in by the right engine which in turn caused the fire
and smoke which was seen coming from the right side.
I think that we know the rest. The pilots lost control of the
aircraft, tried several maneuvers to no avail and the plane came
crashing down. In the process, the airplane lost tail, engine,
I believe that the NTSB and US government in general would
be rather reserved and embarrassed to admit that this was an act
of terrorism having already been on high alert and having deployed
the Reserves just months prior.
As I have read on this site, the NTSB drew their conclusion
before the black boxes were recovered and while the plane was
still smoking. This is an absolute miscarriage of an investigation...drawing
a conclusion before even beginning to look at the facts.
- My job takes me to among other places, Santo Domingo, on
a regular basis. I sincerely feel that the public has been misled
from the very beginning with the initial statements of Ms. Blakey
declaring this an accident. An incident, yes... an accident,
- I feel that the NTSB and the other branches of government
associated with this investigation give the public a FALSE sense
of security when they declare something an accident that really
is questionable. Fact is, they endanger the public. Whether the
motivation is to not further hurt the economy or not is no justification
to outright lie to and mislead the citizens of the United States!!!
They need to understand that people are not idiots and we are
not going to swallow just anything that is handed to us.
Furthermore, we are in a war environment. This investigation,
if it really is one, is taking way to long to produce its conclusion.
We can not afford the comfort of a stretched out, long term investigation
with no clear conclusion.
We need the truth NOW!!!
Thanks for listening Vic. I hope to get the thoughts of your
Peter's thoughts on July 15, 2002:
I would like to add on this occassion however, that the chances
of this plane crashing where it did was at least 1 in 100,000.
In viewing the maps provided on your site detailing the flight
path, crash and debris field of 587, one can't rule out that even
statistically, this crash is suspect and lends itself to a more
controlled, premeditated act and to a specific target... mainly
that of American soil, with American citizens.
I am asking that my initial opinion about this crash be placed
higher on the list and easier to read because in following the
developments of this crash as reported on usread and Wave, it
appears that this is what we'll eventually find. The NTSB, FAA
and other individuals and publications can try to hide facts...but
thanks to you and others like you, they will not be successful
in doing so!!
- Bronx, NY
- June 28th
- From Bob Gurr
- In Response To "Witnesses
- Notoriously Unreliable"
- Very careful look at what has been reported. Too bad that
witnesses seldom get a chance to relate their observation to
a good listener back at the exact scene. Also too bad the NTSB
just reported bare statement content with no attempt to reconstruct
ALL the viewpoints.
I once had a bike crash, related to a friend what had happened,
then had doubts about what had happened. Returned two weeks later
and found evidence at the scene, then correlated this with the
damage to the bike and found a different conclusion. And I was
a "participating" witness.
Last week the world could view an in flight breakup of a C130A,
with observers at the scene giving certain recollections. I was
sure of what I had seen viewing the video the first time. A day
later when I could run a copy of the broadcast slow motion version
frame by frame, I learned that what I was sure I saw, was indeed
not EXACTLY what happened. And I consider myself to be the greatest
mechanical disaster witness in the world. Sobering for me.
- June 28th
- From Michael Hull In Response to "Witnesses
- Notoriously Unreliable"
Your readers might be interested to know that statistical calculations
probabilities that what these eyewitnesses reported did in fact
happen can be
performed. The NTSB can express all of the opinions that it wishes
mathematical truth is superior to NTSB opinion.
Since the NTSB has over 349 witness statements we can calculate
statistical accuracy of their reports and the NTSB better take
Of the 349 eyewitnesses interviewed let us assume that only
40 of them are
"credible". Furthermore, let us assume that the observational
each of these eyewitnesses is so poor that he/she can report an
correctly in only one out of five observations. There is then
only a 20
percent probability that an event reported by such a witness would
actually taken place as described. With two of these witnesses
describing the same event, the probability rises to 36 percent
and with ten
witnesses it rises to 89.26 percent. With forty such independent
similarly "unreliable" witnesses the probability rises
to 99.99 percent that
the event reported did in fact take place. This is as close to
one can come mathematically. Further, even if one assumes that
reliability of these 40 eyewitnesses was so poor that each of
report an observation correctly only one time out of ten, the
that the event did indeed take place as described by the witnesses
98.52 percent. The NTSB has 349 eyewitnesses!
The equation is as follows:
Probability of Event (P) = [1-(U^N) ] X 100 Percent Probability
one minus the Unreliability (U) raised to the power of the Number
Participants (N) all multiplied by one hundred.
For example: If you give a coin to one person and ask them
to flip it and you
hope to see a "head" what is the probability that you
will get it? Answer
50%. What if we give two people a coin each and ask both to flip
and we hope to have one "head" show up, the probability
that we will get it
is now 75%. With three people the chances that we can get at least
is 87.5% and with four people it is 93.75%.
Another way to look at these probability calculations is as
Assume that one has identical pieces of equipment which need
to operate for a
set period of time but each can do so with only 50% reliability.
How many pieces of equipment do we need to operate simultaneously
with 99.9% probability that we will get the job done?
Now if a witness is "right" in an observation only
10% of the time (or
another way of putting this is that the witness is unreliable
in 90% of his
observations) then if one had 50 such witnesses what is the probability
what they said happened, actually happened? The solution is shown
Accuracy of Witness Groups at Ten Percent Reliability
- No of Witnesses
Probability that Event Happened
10.00 % (N=1 and U=0.9)
40.95 % (N=5 and U=0.9)
79.41 % (N=15 and U=0.9)
87.84 % (N=20 and U=0.9)
97.50 % (N=35 and U=0.9)
99.48 % (N=50 and U=0.9)
- June 2nd, 2002
- From Stan in Greenwich, Connecticut
- In Response To William Melvin's Letter below dated May
- Just a brief note about your letter to the editor.
The Lockheed Electra wings failed due to an engine mount bolt
failure. The designers felt that three (Yes, 3) bolts would be
enough to hold this giant turboprop engine in place. The 4 bladed
prop is 13.5 feet in diameter with a constant chord of 18 inches,
(a foot and a half all the way to the blade tip) When one bolt
failed the engine went into a "whirl mode". This was
and is a phenomena known to the engineers. The whirl mode caused
the whole wing to start to vibrate until the wing failed. This
was traced down by the fact that some dogs started to howl when
the stricken aircraft flew over. The government put a speed limit
of 250 knots on all Electra's until they found the cause. The
fix was 6 bolts to hold the engine and they stiffened the wings.
They are flying over 40 years now without a wing failure. It
was engine bolts, not wings that were at fault. Check a book
called, "The Electra Story", I believe written by Rod
Sterling or Sirling.
- The Navy plane that landed in China and had to be taken apart
to get it back; was of same design.
The hard over rudder problem was a Boeing 737, not 727. Two 737s
had fatal crashes from that rudder hydraulic control valve problem.
One near Pittsburgh and the other near Colorado Springs. The
first crash was blamed on wake turbulence and resulting crew
error for over a decade. It is interesting that wake turbulence
was blamed in the Pittsburgh and the AA587 crash, initially.
After another incident, the NTSB got it right.
- May 31st
- Thank you for your incredibly hard work researching the Flight
587 tragedy, which has fascinated me since the day it happened.
Could you answer one brief question: Have the cockpit voice recorder
transcripts been released in whole or in part to date?
Ian van de Burgt
Business Edge magazine
Calgary, AB Canada
- Victor's Reply: Thank you. Unfortunately,
the NTSB has chosen not to release the transcripts until the
first hearing (scheduled possibly for later this year). The only
CVR data they have released is what they discussed in November
(in NY) at the Press Conferences. That would be the two airframe
rattles, the wake comment, the call for max power, and the losing
control comments. These comments are in my timelines.
- Your site is very interesting. Can freedom of information
(FOIA) requests turn up anything? What's become of the videos
of Flight 587? Have they ever been shown to the public?
- Steve Driscoll
- Victor's Reply: Thank you. FOIA won't give
us anything now since all info is technically part of an "ongoing"
fed. investigation. The videos ... since Feb. we've heard not
a peep about them. No public showings.
- May 30th
- After viewing daily news reports on the war against terror
... after daily reports on how the FBI boondoggled this and that
... how the president knew of
the 9/11 attacks, etc., etc., I'm convinced each and every American
is now a member of the US MILITARY! WE ARE ALL INDISPENSABLE!!!!!
I think it safe to assume the FBI screwed up the TWA 800 investigation
- Gerard I.
- Didn't the NTSB learn anything from their handling of TWA
800? What a mess that investigation is in.
- The best way to get someone to read a book is to ban them
from reading it. The best way to get people to seek the truth
is to try and hide it from them.
- May 18th
- Brian, a friend of U.S. Read, sent this in response to U.S. Read's
Open Letter to Kofi Annan:
- Sorry Victor, but beg to differ with you here.
- The Israelis bear the burden of a 1st world civilized society
to uphold war laws put in place to prevent barbarism and war
crimes. The IDF had a choice and decided to violate many Geneva
convention type rules like using kids as shields, bulldozing
civilian housing with women and children inside, refusing UN
inspection, attacking civilian housing, property, infrastructure,
etc. These acts are clearly not justifiable within a modern society.
Beyond that, Israeli treatment of a people whose land they have
taken is less than commendable.
- Just as you disclaim, I am no Palestinian or backer of terrorism,
but there are some things that the US is clearly avoiding recognizing
here. Brutality by the Israelis of the Palestinian civilian population
is one of them. Tolerating clear violations of human rights and
our own constitutional standards is another.
- Yes, there is a violent, lawless, and uncontrollable faction
on the Palestinian side, but this doesn't preempt or forfeit
the rights of law abiding and victimized Palestinians who simply
want to exist. As far as I can see here Victor, the proposal
these Israeli defenders give to a people who were born there
is to yield to Israeli rule, remove yourself from the way of
the settlers in the occupied territories (condemned by the UN
and ignored by the US and Israel), and go away because God gave
us this land. I don't see how that could be construed as just
or fair? At this point I think fighting terrorism is being used
as an excuse for land confiscation and conquest. I hate to see
Americans sold this line by a side that is being less than honorable
in its dealings with the victims. Bulldozing isn't justifiable
by any existing convention and would be illegal if done in the
US. In the meantime the settlements keep growing. The Palestinians
are pushed onto reservations where they are treated like criminals
in their own land and now the Israelis want the reservations
too with our blessing!
- I would feel a whole lot more comfortable if the US and Israeli
took measures to compensate the displaced Palestinians with firm
guarantees and lands first. If terrorist acts occurred afterwards,
then those factions are on their own and deserve whatever fate
they get. What kills me is that the price of this war on terrorism
could have paid for a Palestinian homeland that probably would
have satisfied their anger.
- Victor responds:
- Brian ... thank you for expressing your thoughts.
- I do not think Israelis have used children as shields.
On the other hand, have you ever wondered why so many Palestinian
children, (children!), are seen in street battles between Palestinian
men and Israeli soldiers? My mother wouldn't let me out of the
house when there was lightning. The parents and mentors of these
children are the ones who have manipulated and violated their
sacred trust to protect their children. I have seen so many pictures
of Palestinian children with automatic weapons. How can this
be justified? It cannot. It is clear evidence of the rampant
violence in those communities towards Israelis. It is not just
Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
- The Israelis bulldozed houses that were housing militants
and terrorists. These houses had also been booby trapped by the
cowards. It is against the Geneva Convention for combatants to
hide in the homes of civilians. The homes were bulldozed only
after sufficient warning was given to civilians to leave. You
should be aware by now, that there was no real massacre of civilians
in Jenin, that it was all Pro-Palestinian propaganda. Yes, "some"
civilian deaths? Very probable. It is the terrible consequence
of war. But not a war crime. I have seen many references in Arabic
newspapers where Jenin residents admitted that few civilians
perished. UN Inspection? I would not want to be inspected by
anyone who is biased against me. Pure and simple.
- The Israeli's want to live in Peace. They have agreed
to a Palestinian State. Provided there is security. Provided
Arabs and Palestinians agree Israel has a right to
exist. Which until very recently ... the majority of the Arab
world and the PLO, called for the complete destruction and eviction
of the filthy Jews from the land. The most successful Arabs in
the Middle East, the ones who can VOTE, and experience the "pursuit
of happiness", are Arabs who have lived in Israel! That
alone proves how honorable Israelis are. They allow Arabs to
be citizens when Arabs don't afford Arabs that same respect.
And that leads into the larger point of Arab hypocrisy. The Middle
East is malignant with hypocrisy, racist propaganda and calls
for genocide (2 years ago ... a cleric during Ramadan in Mecca
begged Allah for His blessing in bringing about the destruction
of the Jews!). We know of corruption in the Palestinian Authority
now. Even Yasser TheRat has admitted to it. The Saudis also are
filthy hypocrites, deflecting the Jihad wrath of their own people
towards the U.S. and funding the families of homicide bombers.
- Palestinians, generally, have never "simply wanted
to exist". They have always wanted the complete expulsion
of filthy Jews from ALL of Palestine (Israel). The U.N. offered
Palestinians a State in '47 or '48. Why did they reject it? Because
they felt Jews did not have a right to a homeland. My ... how
their injustice has come back to haunt them. That is why Brian,
every time Palestinians and Israel move closer to Peace and a
State for Palestine ... the homicide attacks increase. Because
the powers that are truly in control in Palestinian territories
do not want Peace with Israel. They want death to the Jews. I
cannot believe that, prior to the last few weeks, Israel has
never previously gone after terrorists with the resolve and force
they did in the West Bank. Wow. That is some restraint. Do you
remember when Sadam Hussein was bombing Israel with ScudsIsrael
did nothing! They are slow to wrath, and have been more patient
than I ever could be.
- The settlements. I don't think this is a black and white
issue. Don't forget the Arab effort to exterminate the Jews in
'67 involved the West Bank area. Israel occupied an area where
hostile actions against them had been encouraged. Have the Israeli's
done anything wrong? Of course. But it boils down to this. Israelis
are generally civilized, peace loving people who do not believe
the killing of innocent civilians will be rewarded by their God.
The Powers that truly control Palestinian territories believe
their God honors such horrific acts. You cannot negotiate with
such madness. You can only kill it.
- From Reuven Chosen in reply to U.S.
Read's Open Letter to Kofi Annan:
- (My reply to Reuven is contained within his letter in
- Dear Mr. Trombettas,
I was fascinated to read your letter/questions to Mr. Anan, the
I intend to answer all your questions and I believe I can do
it better than Mr. Anan since I was born and live here in Israel.
But before, let me tell you that you, like so many of the public
in Israel, have been brainwashed by the terrible Israeli blatant
Demagoguery. You may not know, but Demagoguery is a disease much
worse than cancer - the patient does not feel any pain but his
actions will end up in a tragedy.
Now to your questions!
As a matter of fact there is one answer to all of your questions.
Everybody in the world is against homicide of any kind (not only
of innocent people, also the guilty shall not be murdered/executed).
- Victor: Wow Reuven. One answer to
all of my questions!? Pretty simplistic don't you think? I think
you live on a different planet than me. On my planet ... not
"everyone" is against homicide of any kind. Please
provide your full address with a star map so we can find your
solar system!. On my planet ... there are these crazy Islamic
extremists who derive great joy from the slaughter of large numbers
of innocents, there are Jew-haters, there are haters of Freedom
and Democracy who will kill ANYONE to advance their goal. Don't
come here ... you will be disappointed.)
Reuven: But what happens when you bring people to
desperation. Have you ever been in prison for one day? one hour?!
These people are in jail for 35 years (the occupied territories
are the closest thing to jail that you can imagine). Even more
important: in a regular jail one is not humiliated. The Palestinians
were horribly trodden on and humiliated. Parents were beaten
in front of their children (most of the time without any reason)
houses demolished (again for ridiculous reasons). And when the
Oslo accords were signed the Palestinians gained hope as most
of us Israelis who saw the dawn coming. During Rabin's days we
could all of a sudden to travel to all Arabic countries. People
here started to do business with all the neighboring countries.
- Victor: The real jail for Palestinians and
Middle Eastern Arabs is not the alleged jail created by the Israelis.
The real jail is a disgust for true freedom. True democracy.
True RELIGIOUS freedom. Freedom to dress as you wish. Freedom
for women to study and work and vote and gain power. Freedom
to worship Jesus. Freedom to watch foreign movies. Freedom to
dream of a career and live in a land that encourages you to pursue
your dreams. These people, through their own ignorance
and hatred have built their own prisons. Prisons of the Mind.
And it is only they themselves who can free themselves.
Reuven: But the leadership that replaced Rabin were
against any settlement of relations with the Palestinians. Barak
,who according to Israeli Demagoguery, proposed a generous solution,
has a long record of Arab hatred. Listen to this: he was one
of the leaders who voted in the Knesset against the Oslo agreement.
But even worse: while talking about a Palestinian independent
state he built new settlements in the Occupied Territories increasing
the Israeli colonialist population there by 50%!!!.
- Victor: Just wondering. Do you think Yasser
has a "long record" of Israeli hatred? Nah ... I guess
Reuven: One major lie, just as an example: The present
Intifada started not by the Arabs. It was started by Israel!!!
The Palestinians killed the first Jewish person only after about
30 Palestinian civilians and policemen were murdered (many of
them with sniper rifles (not self defense, I assume).
- Victor: It's clear you think more lies come
from Israel than Palestinians. Yasser has a nicely vented room
set up for you in his Ramallah hole. If I lived in Israel, I'd
tell you to pack your things and go. But I don't.
Reuven: If you would take the trouble you could have
found out for yourself some more hair raising stories. You should
ask you one question and only this one: why are the Palestinian
youth committing these suicide bombings?
- Victor: I did as you suggested ... I asked
myself that one question. And this is the answer that came to
me: "Because Palestinian Demagogues have raised them to
hate Jews. Have taught them that killing ANY Jew is rewarded
by Allah. That killing ANY Jew (and themselves in the process)
will provide their family with money from the Saudi Hypocrites
and other Perverted Demagogues".
Reuven: Is it that they are genetically defect? Are
the Arabic genes different?
- Victor: No. Their minds are!
Reuven: The answer is: No, they are normal people
that want to raise their families like you and me. (by the way
the Arabic countries were the place where Jews flourished more
than in any other place, in Christian countries Jews suffered
the worst anti-Semitism).
- Victor: That's right Reuven. And it was
Christians who attacked Israel in '48. Christians who attacked
in '67. And it is Christian suicide bombers that keep Israelis
on edge. The real Demagogues are Pro-Palestinian Propagandists
and they have successfully brainwashed you. Secondly, conservative
Christians in the U.S. are Israel's best allies right now. Reuven,
do you have coffee on your planet?? Looking forward to your star
map with coordinates.
- May 15th 2002
- Alice M. in Citra, FL writes:
- Hello Victor,
- As a former resident of the Rockaways I have been following
the investigation of the crash of Flight 587 with great interest
and thank you for your
informative web site and its detailed information.
- Thank you in advance and keep up the good work.
- Steve H. from Wilmington, DE writes:
- Words of thanks should be going towards you. You have taken
the time, effort, and solid commitment to pick up a torch where
most would relish, for one reason or other, to see its flame
- " Patience is a virtue ". This quote must be extended
to your family and close friends, for without it,sadly the voice
of knowledge for the people who matter may have remained a whisper.
- I do believe in many respects ... US Read can be taken wherever
- Here I would like to offer, "Gratis ", anything
my 30 years can afford you. It covers a lot of operators, manufacturers,
O/H agencies, regulatory
authorities and countries in the world. Feel free to have it
at your disposal.
- Victor writes: I have received many such
offers from many kind folks with all sorts of aviation and investigatory
(including NTSB) experience. It is probably the sweetest payback
for me that I have made so many new friends through this feeble
effort. A former NTSB investigator has encouraged me, "you're
providing a service and doing a noble deed. You're providing
information the NTSB should have been giving out. Keep up the
good work". I will.
- Giora, in San Jose writes:
- In response to your open
letter to Secretary General, Kofi Annan:
- The charter of the UN reads as follows:
"The purpose of the United Nations is to bring all nations
of the world together to work for peace and development, based
on the principles of justice, human dignity and the well-being
of all people".
According to Webster's Dictionary, dignity means: "the
quality of being worthy of esteem or honor".
How can you investigate people who's grand ideas of being worthy
of esteem and honor are "martyrdom" by suicide?
These people shouldn't (and can't) be members of the United Nations
because the meaning of "dignity" for them is so different
from the meaning of the same word to the rest of us. Those who
send people to commit suicide, while trying to achieve their
purpose ( no matter how important it is to them) - have abandoned
the human race's values system. Any communications with such
people makes as much sense as to trying to squeeze tomato juice
out of an apple.
Mr. Kofi Annan knows that but, he feels that he needs to do something...and
what do bureaucrats do? Produce endless, useless paper trails.
So, why are you surprised? After all, any Nobel Prize Winner
can tell you that you can't get tomato juice by squeezing an
- May 13, 2002
Open Letter from William W. Melvin
To: Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation
From 1968 until 1993 when I retired, I was on the ALPA (Air
Line Pilots Association) Airworthiness &
Performance Committee and was Chairman most of that time. My Committee
very much involved in the structure discussions in the early 80's
composite materials were first being proposed for aircraft. The
us that composite materials would not be used as primary structure
In April of 1988 the top of the Aloha 737 blew off and that
considerable effort toward the assurance of continued airworthiness
transport aircraft. Congressman Oberstar held hearings on a bill
aircraft. In the ALPA testimony, I cannot find any reference or
the continuing airworthiness of composite structure. I believe
because we were sure that composite materials would not be used
The Airbus which crashed in New York was manufactured in 1988.
and methods are in place to provide assurance of continuing airworthiness
composite material when used as primary structure? We apparently
with the problem in 1988. I have read recently that Airbus is
build the entire center section of their next aircraft from composite
Metal structure has a long history of fail safe design with
the ability to
determine overload from visual and other inspections. Such is
not the case
for composite materials. You surely recall the failure of composite
structure which cost Don Engen his life. I hope we do not have
to see a
second failure on a transport aircraft to learn a lesson, as was
the case of
the Lockheed Electra wing failures and the B-727 rudder hardovers.
There may be some sophisticated means to test and determine
airworthiness of composite materials. If such a method exists
and is not
required or if one is not immediately developed and another failure
on an Airbus, the consequences to Airbus and any airline which
aircraft will be devastating.
William W. (Bill) Melvin
- May 11th, 2002
Thanks again for the fine job that you are doing. The "timeline"
are impressive. Your efforts are, in my opinion, suitable for
publication. I know about the 'WAVE' article, but have you thought
about contacting the major papers or magazines? (Perhaps the new
'Sun'?) I would certainly encourage you to do so.
When I first read the FAA transcript I thought the 'nice game'
comment was not credible. I've spent enough time at the Bangor
Flight Service Station to know that pilots don't carry on conversations
about games of any kind on the radio - especially busy ATC frequencies.
I could not - and so far have not - come up with an aviation context
for 'nice game'.
I'm glad you have gotten confirmation from the AA pilots about
escape'. It seems much more appropriate given the context
and circumstances than the FAA interpretation. It reminds me of
other cockpit shorthand phrases like 'TOGA' that are uttered to
initiate time sensitive procedures.
It surprises me that the FAA did not try to manipulate the
sound file the way you and I have. Surely they must have more
time and technology than we have. Were I responsible for the ATC
transcript I would not be satisfied with inexplicable phrases
and "noise" on my transcript!
From the work that you have done it is clear to me that unfortunate
events were occurring on that aircraft well before the rudder
fluctuations began. Equally clear is that the aircraft experienced
serious disruptions of multiple avionics systems before, during,
and after the rudder deflections.
Victor, I am a skeptic who places a premium on logic. I make
my living troubleshooting complex systems and have heard a lot
of technical B.S. from vendors and manufacturers. Therefore, when
I say that the job you are doing is praiseworthy and that I agree
with your interpretation of the available evidence you must be
doing something right. Good work!
Take care - let me know if I can be of any assistance.
- Peter Gunn
- Victor writes: Peter is an I.T. Specialist
for a University in Maine and was very helpful in confirming
escape" comment on the JFK Departure Control Transcript
that we now know is an established procedure. This is a significant
find because this comment comes between the two lateral movements
(which were 20 seconds apart), and 7 seconds before the rudder
movements begin. I quote an A300 Pilot who told me, "this
is NOT a NORMAL procedure!". Along with the transponder
transmitting erroneous readings, and rumors have it ... possible
timing problems in the Cockpit Voice Recorder ... we have substantial
circumstantial evidence there was something else goin' on on
board that plane that affected electrical systems.
- May 10, 2002
- Kudos' to Captain Ray Lahr! His
article (May 3 NTSB/NASA Press Conference) was right on the
mark. It made my day when I opened The
local weekly newspaper in the Rockaway's on May 10th, and Ray's
article was on page two in its entirety. Another American Patriot
is standing tall !!
- Tom Lynch
- Victor writes: Tom
is one of the eyewitnesses of inflight fires, explosions,
smoke ... all before the vertical stabilizer separates.
- April 21, 2002
- From Glen
- Work history includes NASA in Tape Recording and Telemetry
- Also a CVR/FDR expert
- Re: Eleven
- Victor paints a very clear picture of NTSB "flummery"
---as Nero Wolfe would call it.
- April 21, 2002
- From Bob D
- in New Jersey
- Former Navy Pilot
- Retired Commercial Airline Captain and Flight Ops Management
- Re: Timeline
- Finally studied the new
timeline, and find it very well presented. Huge amount of
work went into that. Bravo!
- April 21, 2002
- From Steve Grass
- Last night I was poking around your site, and in that late
night mind set that lack of sleep creates, pondering the picture
- large and small.
This morning I read "Eleven"
There is no point in my complimenting you further on your work,
since you know I think it is outstanding.
- April 21, 2002
- From Chuck Stoy
- in Sun City, AZ
- Aeronautical Engineer
- Former Military Pilot
- Re: "Eleven"
- I think you are getting to the heart of the matter when you
bring up the flight control issue. As a former pilot, I can't
think of anything that would immediately get a pilot's DEAD SERIOUS
attention as surely as "losing control" of the plane
he was flying. If a pilot says he is losing control - I'd believe
him - take him seriously, until someone proves he didn't say
the words. Like this is not something being said jokingly.
- Response from Victor Trombettas to Chuck Stoy:
- Thank you Chuck. I believe the NTSB takes this very seriously.
I'm dismayed, however, that their investigative focus continues
to be the eight second sequence which contains the five rudder
movements and the cessation of rudder data. The timeline
clearly points to something well before that as the cause.
April 21, 2002
- From John
- Semi-retired Kiwi Civil Engineer living and working in
Indonesia as a
Quality Assurance Specialist. Registered with the American Society
Non-destructive Testing, as a 'Level III' in Magnetic Particle,
Penetrant and Radiographic (X-ray) Testing
- I've also followed KAL007, PANAM 103 and TWA 800 closely
with considerable concern on the veracity of those who control
the release of information. I'm sorry if I come across as arrogant
but the impression one gets from outside the US is that your
citizens are, by and large, poorly informed on crucial issues
by a compliant national news service. Journalists kicking against
the pricks are ostracized as 'Conspiracy Theorists', or worse
still, 'Liberals', whatever that means in American English!
- March 30, 2002
- from "Fliptails"
- In response to the
story of the B52 that landed with a mostly severed tail and rudder,
Fliptails said, "I think anyone can see the difference between
the B52's two third's missing tail and an A300's completely missing
tail ......... talk about sensationalizing!"
- Response from Victor Trombettas to Fliptails:
- Fliptails: You're right. I didn't make that clear or offer
any alternate thought. Thanks for the criticism and if you check the story again
you'll see that based on your appropriately stern rebuke I have
edited the page and added a thoughtful comment from another Pilot.
I still think Ray Lahr raised an interesting thought. We all
know about Japan Air Lines 123 that suffered major damage in
the empennage, also lost most of the tail (looks like the rudder
remained), lost hydraulics, and did not immediately plummet but
flew around for a while before crashing.
- Fliptails also commented on the concept
pictures of what a tail-less A300 would look like: "Maybe
they would have seen it like that if they were that close and
at the same altitude!!!!!! Giving misinformation????
- Response from Victor Trombettas to Fliptails:
- Here I have to disagree with you. Even if you shrink the
picture ... it is still very obvious there's no tail. More importantly,
(a) many witnesses are adamant the tail was there and (b) Kenny Good's
statement gives us a very clear point in the timeline as
to when it did break off.
- One witness' reaction to seeing the plane flying by her
house without the tail and engines was "I thought it was
an ICBM". If you think about a plane with no vertical stabilizer
and no engines ... you can understand this poor woman's reaction.
- March 25, 2002
- From Martin, a former Logistics Engineer at McDonald Douglas
The NTSB's decision to closely examine the vertical stabilizer
appear to be a serious attempt to put an end to the speculation
cause of flight 587's crash. It is my suspicion that the NTSB
speculating that the pilot of flight 587 was convinced his rudder
over", because the pilot seems to have gone through the procedures
recover from it. Many pilots are aware that several 737 aircraft
Airbus) have had catastrophic crashes that some experts have associated
a 'hard over rudder deflection' problem. Without warning, usually
takeoff or landing, the 737's rudder moves to a hard over right
Unless rudder control is reestablished, depending on the altitude,
rolls upside down and dives straight into the ground. 737 pilots
doubt others as well) have been briefed on how to recognize the
initiate a recovery. It would not be a strenuous leap of logic
that an Airbus pilot would also employ the same recovery procedure
if he was
convinced (true or not) that his rudder was hard over. While emphasizing
that I am not a pilot, my research has indicated that the recovery
involve giving alternate 'extreme rudder peddle' commands. This
needs to be
confirmed by someone who has been briefed on the FAA approved
procedure. Of course, I may be reading too much into the motivation
this latest test. But it would be a "non-terrorist"
solution to their
problem. And that's got to look attractive to the NTSB at this
considering they announced that it was not a terrorist event a
- About the CT-Scan of the lug bolts:
- 1. From what I've seen of the photos, it appears that none
vertical stabilizer lugs actually failed. The vertical stabilizer
failed. It is important to understand that since the moment that
vertical stabilizer failed, the lugs were not subjected to any
- 2. We know that an unknown lateral wind force caused the
stabilizer to fail. That force must have subjected the lugs to
unique to the lifetime of the components.
- 3. Such a force would have had to permanently distort the
enough to leave a sub-microscopic fingerprint.
- 4. An estimate of the magnitude of lateral wind force at
of failure would resolve a major question about the cause of
the crash. If
the vertical stabilizer failed as a result of either normal or
wake turbulence forces, the argument could be made that the vertical
stabilizer caused the crash. If, on the other hand, extraordinary
were involved, then the vertical stabilizer must have failed
some other event.
- 5. A CT-Scan of the lugs is going to be used to "read"
fingerprint and determine the relative force that was applied
to the lug.
- There are, however, potential problems to this test. Here
are just a few of
the most obvious:
- A. Is the CT-Scan the most accurate tool to approximate the
force that was placed on the lugs, and there-by the vertical
- B. What is the degree of error in the test, and does that
error overlap the distinguishing aspects of any of the possible
This is important because it offers the opportunity for the NTSB
to draw subjective conclusions.
- C. Can the examination of just the lugs make a distinction
"hard over rudder deflection" stress, and the lateral
stress associated with
some unknown problem not related to the rudder (both of which
would take the
vertical stabilizer well beyond operational specifications);
or should the
empennage be included so any extreme "lateral rotational-torque"
put on the
vertical stabilizer can also be measured and evaluated (which
specific to a rudder problem)?
- D. Can the steps certified by the FAA to recover from a 'hard
rudder deflection' on the 737, take the Airbus beyond its design
- From Martin, a former Logistics Engineer at McDonald Douglas
- By the way, I don't think I've commented on what you are
doing. I think you
are a very brave man. You are risking your reputation, focus
by a variety
of government agencies, your privacy by the press, and personal
safety by a
world full of terrorists and nuts. Whether your actions precipitate
that illuminate the truth of flight 587's crash or not, you are
patriot and I want you to know that I'm proud to help you in
limited way I can.
- Response from Victor Trombettas to Martin:
- Gee. Thanks Martin! Very kind words. My reputation has
already been tarnished by public statements
- made by my wife. I'm not sure I can recover from those!
- Seriously ... thank you for your support!
- March 25, 2002
- From Ron Schmiedeke, a retired Quality Control Test Engineer
- in Aviation, Missile, and Aerospace
- According to the LA Times story today they are only checking
for a plane that has had a bad flight history. They still should
all planes with the composition tail sections. Not just a visual
exam but a
live loading of the tail section with sensitive microphone attached
listening technique like I previously mentioned to you before.
composition fail they go all of the sudden and you don't fly
for the failure to occur. Pretesting has been my field for years.
How do you think we got into space and the moon shot that placed
the men on
the moon surface?
Everything was pretested and evaluated prior to the assembly
Also, from the
video that you sent out it sounded to me like a fan compressor
outage of the engine. This can happen after the plane pitch is
take off because the engine front opening is unable to obtain
all the air
that it needs to compress. The pilot going to full throttle at
when the nose of the plane is pointing up causes less air to
compressor when it is requiring more can create a turbulence
devastating to the engines. Therefore the engine back fires causing
havoc. If this occurs in one engine the plane is thrust severely
side causing heavy loading on the tail section this then creates
explosion as the engine when the unburnt fuel ignites.
This can occur in the engine or aft of the engine during a take
Air vortexes spinning off the wing of another heavy body plane
near bye can
created air turbulence which is detrimental to a jet engine with
- March 11, 2002
- From Michael Hull
To: The Editor, US Read
The United States suffered a second 'Pearl Harbor' on September
11, 2001 and
apparently American Airlines is the focus of terrorism with two
AA Flight 587 was destroyed on December 12, 2001, the fourth anniversary
the conviction of Osama bin Laden's associate, Ramzi Yousef, for
1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.
On December 22, 2001 a terrorist attempted to blow up AA Flight
63 using a
bomb in his shoe. He attempted to take the same flight the previous
December 21, the anniversary of the bombing of PA 103, but was
boarding pass. His attempt used a method similar to that planned
to blow up 11 U.S. airplanes over the Pacific Ocean - killing
at least 4,000
people. The plot crumbled when Yousef's Manila apartment caught
fire while he
was making bombs.
Prior to the downing of TWA 800 I observed a missile launched
close to I95 in
Connecticut. The incident was reported to the FBI, the NTSB, the
FAA, the NY
Times, Boeing, and TWA shortly after the TWA 800 downing. The
of interest which was shown in my report by both the FBI and the
news media, stimulated me to investigate the TWA 800 incident
results of this investigation are the subject of my website at
While investigating the TWA 800 incident it became increasingly
terrorists have been striking at aircraft in US airspace for at
year prior to the crash of TWA 800. These attacks have continued
up to the
shoe bomber incident aboard AA Flight 63. Alarmingly, attempts
appear to be
ongoing in the Washington DC area to down aircraft as evidenced
report in the Washington Times. The report is eerily familiar
to my own
experience on I95 prior to the downing of TWA 800
February 21, 2002
'Rockets' reported fired at two jetliners Tom Ramstack The Washington
An Alexandria woman said she saw a "flare or rocket"
ascending toward a US
Airways flight landing at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport
month, similar to a report from a Southwest Airlines pilot landing
Baltimore-Washington International Airport Sunday. The Federal
Administration is investigating a report by the pilot of Southwest
that he saw what looked like a model rocket pass on the left side
aircraft Sunday evening. The FAA says it has no reports of the
sighting by the Alexandria resident, Joyce Mucci. The trade association
public relations coordinator said she observed the incident while
home from work Jan. 20 at sunset near Reagan Airport. "It
was like a rocket,
kind of a reddish thing that came up from the river bank,"
Mrs. Mucci said.
"It was aimed toward the back of the jet. Maybe the pilot
didn't see it."
Mrs. Mucci said she doubted it was a model rocket. "It did
not look like any
model rocket I've ever seen," she said. Her son used to play
rockets when he was a child. "When he was a kid, we used
to make model
rockets, and they don't look like that. It was right toward the
back of the
jet, right behind the engine. It went at an angle like it was
aimed at the
jet." She added, however, that the object did not get close
enough that it
could have brought down the airplane. "It may be nothing,
but it's important
for somebody to follow up on this," Mrs. Mucci said. She
said the "flare or
rocket" rose from a spot down the slope of the Potomac River
jogging trail next to Reagan Airport, halfway between Memorial
Bridge and the
airport. She said she called a Federal Aviation Administration
number the next day. She left a message on voice mail but received
After news accounts of the incident at BWI Sunday, Mrs. Mucci
called the FBI
yesterday. "The FBI guy said, 'Hold on a minute,'" Mrs.
Mucci said. "Then a
woman in the background said, 'I don't want to talk to another
I was put through to somebody's voice mail and I didn't leave
a message." FAA
Eastern Region spokesman Jim Peters said he had no information
Mucci's January report. "We have no record of receiving a
call from Mrs.
Mucci on or about that day," Mr. Peters said. He also said
he had "no idea"
of how often other people say they have seen rockets near airplanes.
spokesman Chris Murray said, "Our office is unaware of that
Southwest Flight 454 was on approach 12 to 14 miles southeast
of BWI at 3,000
feet at 7:10 p.m. Sunday when the pilot said he saw the rocket.
acknowledged the incident at BWI publicly for the first time Tuesday.
Peters said yesterday the agency was looking into it. Fraser Jones,
for the national office of the FAA, said reports of rockets flying
airplanes are rare. "We don't tally those that I'm aware
of," Mr. Jones said.
"I have not heard of reports of that kind before." Local
also said they are unaware of a "flare or rocket" near
Reagan Airport in
January. "I haven't heard anything about that," said
Tom Sullivan, spokesman
for the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, which manages
Washington Dulles International airports. "If it was reported
by our tower,
our police would have been alerted." Mrs. Mucci's report
was the first time
he heard of someone seeing a projectile apparently fired at a
airplane in the Washington area. Occasionally, passers-by mistakenly
"near misses but not rockets," Mr. Sullivan said. The
only similar report of
a rocket fired at a commercial airplane in the United States followed
explosion and crash of TWA Flight 800 off the coast of New York
on July 17,
1996.The National Transportation Safety Board explained the witness'
by saying that after the front part of the plane broke off during
electrical fire and fuel-tank explosion, the wings and rear part
fuselage continued climbing at a sharp angle, creating an upward
I contacted Ms Mucci about this incident through a source in
she replied to me as follows:
February 26, 2002 E-mail to Michael Hull from Joyce Mucci
Dear Michael: Jack forwarded your email to me after my story was
the Washington Times. I called the newspaper out of frustration
with the FBI
(in particular) and the FAA. Needless to say, I do not have to
tell you that
I "saw what I saw". However, I am convinced that unless
you are a paid
informant, pilot, law enforcement officer or lawyer, the FBI and
the FAA have
no use for your information. So much for the public relations
outreach by the
administration. The area that I witnessed the "rocket, flare
or whatever" is
inaccessible by car. Additionally, if someone was down there with
no one from the bike path or the road would see them. The rocket
was on a
trajectory out and up toward the aircraft (just aft of the right
seems complete nonsense to believe that it was a kid's rocket.
something at the jet while on final approach to Reagan. It also
to note that the area from where the rocket came is between the
Bridge and the 14th Street bridge. It would be difficult to fire
a missile on
planes approaching from the south because on the east side of
the Potomac is
Bolling Airforce Base and on the west is Old Town Alexandria.
Keep up the
good work. By the way, if my plane is shot down coming out of
tell everyone it was not a center fuel tank explosion.
So, Victor, keep up your critical investigative work on US
Read. The public
deserves to know just how big the terrorism problem is that we
have on our
- March 6, 2002
- From Glen: work history includes NASA in Tape Recording
and Telemetry Systems Engineering
- Victor, if you can find the time I suggest you and your usread.com
site visitors read Michael Crighton's book "AIRFRAME".
Crighton's book came out about a year after TWA FL 800 disintegrated
over the Atlantic with all 230 souls on board lost. MC writes
like he was living in the FDR lab at the NTSB while the NTSB
was processing --or should I say mis-processing ---the FL 800
FDR tape. At one point MC reveals what a lot us believe, i.e.
the aviation industry really doesn't want the FDR to work. I
agree and point out the British AAIB (their NTSB) asked for 60
seconds of battery backup, when aircraft 115V 400 Hz engine power
is lost for FDRs and CVRs after Pan Am 103. But the US FAA and
NTSB remain out-to-lunch on this improvement. Glen, Littleton,
- March 5, 2002
- From Eric, An Active American Airlines Pilot
I haven't looked at all the information your website offers,
haven't seen the timeline.
I admire you for taking the initiative to fathom what happened
587. It truly was a tragedy and the one thing we pilots rue for
an aircraft coming apart.
An uncontrollable aircraft is the one emergency no one can
- March 1, 2002
- From Bob Durant, Navy Pilot, Commercial Airline Captain,
and Flight Ops Management
Your timeline is brilliant! The NTSB has already given bits
and pieces to
the press, and I think will continue to do so. Now the press,
to the extent
it is interested, has a timeline bringing all the data into a
to read focus. Will the NTSB react to your timeline? No. Will
journalism use it as a benchmark to judge future NTSB pronouncements?
Remote, but possible.
- March 1, 2002
- From William Sherriff, Retired from American Airlines
as Captain and now an Aviation Safety Consultant:
As we know TWA 800 was not brought down by a missile! AA 587
was also not
brought down by a bomb!
Check your time line at 16:04.5. "The NTSB in their release
say FDR shows
lateral acceleration increases to 0.8g yaw rate of 10 deg/sec,
25 deg. with pilot applying right wheel, pitch down to -30"!
later the crash.
This is the story of a classic 'Dutch roll'. The instantaneous
yaw motion as
a result of the 0.8g 200 mph tangential, rotating vortices, in
the CORE of the
vortex from the 747, striking the vertical fin broadside and turning
area of the fin into a massive control surface, induced an immediate
roll'. At the same time twisting off both engines due to the high
- We did not need a bomb to cause this accident only physics!
- Response from U.S.Read to William Sherriff:
Congratulations, Sir, on what appears to have been a distinguished
There are countless aviators, and non-aviators who to this
day believe the
90+ (I think the number is higher?) witnesses who say they saw
rise from the horizon and terminate in the explosion of TWA 800.
believe there are also respectable people still at NTSB, and at
former Board member I know of, who do not believe the initiating
800 was the fuel tank explosion. There is an increasing number
of aviators, and
non-aviators who when presented with the facts of the timeline
of 587 ...
begin to consider other possibilities. And when weighed with witness
statements, raise very serious questions.
I am open-minded. I got involved because I saw two very
indicators from the NTSB on the day of the crash indicating a
bias on their
part. An obvious disregard for witnesses, and a bias towards an
All I was looking for that day was a "we will look into this"
... that afternoon they said "ALL Indications (including
explosion accounts?!) pointed to an accident".
Sir ... the max power and losing control comments (including
control" comment at 16:03 on the tower tape, which *is* on
the tape and
other people and computer experts have picked up) all came before
Came before the pilots (or some malfunction?) had deflected the
times (mind you, the NTSB said earlier the rudder had been deflected
times ... now it's five). The Math does not yet support the wake
theory. When we have that data I will accept it. There are MANY
who don't buy into the SIGNIFICANT role NTSB and others are ascribing
wake turbulence in the crash, even if it did cross 587's path.
George Black Jr. made a misleading statement AFTER the NTSB
had done a
prelim. sync of the CVR and FDR on Nov. 15 & 16 (in fact,
they had even
synched the tower noises to the CVR to the moment the pilots had
... which is exactly what my timeline shows) and stated the max
losing control comments came AFTER the tail was gone!? Whether
terribly wrong, or terribly deceptive is not for me to figure
out. I will
say this ... his statements have had a profound effect on public
to the cause of the crash. Including among aviators.
All I'm doing is setting the facts straight. Pretty pathetic
That an non-aviator can see serious discrepancies in the NTSB's
I'm also making sure dozens of respectable U.S. citizens
and fine New
Yorkers are not treated like delusional idiots for saying they
separation fires, explosions, smoke, etc. Mind you ... based on
statements ... and the Coast Guard Pictures of the rudder that
my humble web
site was first to post .... indicate the rudder broke apart and
(maybe just partly) several seconds before the vertical stabilizer.
major (comatose) media and the NTSB have not talked about this.
- You said something very disturbing, "We did not need
a bomb to cause this
accident only physics!" Is that when we start looking for
a bomb? When we
"need" it? Isn't the evidence ALL taken together and
by the lead agency in charge, the way to go? If physics alone
this crash ... why did the pilot go to max power and just 2 seconds
state they were losing control all BEFORE the rudder went bad
- Victor Trombettas
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